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Post by Redifer on Jun 2, 2018 18:35:06 GMT
Both systems have awful composite. There is no such thing as GOOD composite. But the Genesis wins, especially if you let the 32X do your composite encoding for you. The PCE and NES both have that ugly fuzzy scrolling where it shimmers. The Genesis does not. You may argue that the Genesis has rainbow banding, and in some cases that's true, but that is eliminated by the mighty 32X, the best composite encoder on the planet (but still crap). In fact, boot up the celebrated game on the Turbo called Ys Book 1 and 2. If you've made it far enough in the game to reach the title screen, you'll see how crappy the composite video is. Her hair shimmers! The system can't even keep all of her hair onscreen at the same time and it flickers back and forth, even though the screen isn't scrolling! WEAK!
Of course this is all fix by using RGB.
Fight me.
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Post by spenoza on Jun 2, 2018 18:54:01 GMT
There are so many Genesis variations I’m not sure you can really make this blanket statement. Also, since the 32x isn’t strictly a base Genby, it should probably be excluded for the moment. I have a model 2 Genny that has horrible quality sound and rather poor composite output. I have another model 2 which has the nice, clear VA4 sound and better video, but I can’t say it is decidedly better or worse than my Duo. It looks good but does have occasional shimmering and such, even though the model is lauded for clean video. I can say that my Duo has never disappointed.
At the very least, the only fair statement is that the Genesis has a broad range of quality in composite video, ranging from awful to great, and that the best systems rival or possibly better the PC Engine, but the worst examples are ultra-bad. The PC Engine family, however, is pretty darn consistently good. Not perfect, but good, and damned reliable. You won’t have crazy differences across, or even within, models.
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Post by Mathius on Jun 2, 2018 23:49:02 GMT
The Genesis has that fuzzy film through its composite that is so well known that M2 "emulated" that look as an option in its 3D Ages Remaster Series. For me the Engine family has consistently nicer looking composite.
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Post by sunteam_paul on Jun 3, 2018 7:47:01 GMT
It is pretty rubbish. My DuoRX is composite and when testing Atlantean I thought Arkhan had dome something wrong because the background looks like trash as though half the blues are missing. PCE Output has always been a bit of an issue, the old PAL conversion seemed to drop a third of the colour palette, then the first RGB cables gave everything a really dark, contrasty look - it was cool but you had to buy a super colour booster to make things look right again. Even with that, a full screen of white (i.e. in Afterburner) would make my screen go pink.
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Post by crazydean on Jun 7, 2018 1:41:28 GMT
Who cares? RGB is way better on PCE than Genesis.
And 32X? Those goofy ribbon cables make for a pretty sketch connection. Mine works but everything has a bit of fuzz due to those touchy ribbons. Anytime I've tried to improve it, I end up losing picture altogether.
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Post by Arkhan on Jun 7, 2018 6:12:26 GMT
I... never had composite issues. People generally talk about how the PCE composite isn't shit.
But that's usually when you're using the TurboBooster/etc. Maybe the Duo output is different. I don't remember my Duo-R being shitty.
When I had it running composite into a 1084S, people were mistaking it for RGB and making general asses of themselves.
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Post by seieienbu on Jun 9, 2018 22:02:58 GMT
I feel like if you're using composite video today you either really like the blurry aesthetic or you're doing it wrong. I'll occasionally hook up something to play in composite video but, as I recall, Genesis models 1 and 2 both looked worse than my Turbo CD, Turbo Duo, or my PC Engine IFU's composite video.
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Post by Arkhan on Jun 11, 2018 19:09:17 GMT
I feel like if you're using composite video today you either really like the blurry aesthetic or you're doing it wrong. Or you're lazy/want to play shit quickly without having to fingerbang around with cables/converters/dongles/doowopshaboobydoos. Sega genesis composite is the most poverty composite I have ever seen. An RF adapter with a blender and power drill running next to it generating an avalanche of interference looks just as good. lol
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Post by spenoza on Jun 11, 2018 20:01:19 GMT
Sega genesis composite is the most poverty composite I have ever seen. That's what I thought based on my original model 2, but the VA4 I have now does look pretty good.
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Post by Mathius on Jun 11, 2018 20:03:50 GMT
My TurboGrafx CD is still composite-only and I never mind hooking it up. The picture doesn't bother me too much.
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Post by majors on Jun 12, 2018 16:40:37 GMT
Video purists...it's slippery rabbit hole. I had to just step back and deal with 'meh composite. I even run a CDX as my main Genny, and that (I've heard) has the worst comp out. Lucky, it does boast native RGB out for when I want to see what I'm playing.
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Post by spenoza on Jun 12, 2018 17:19:02 GMT
I think one of the things we all struggle with is what does it truly mean to be a video purist on these older consoles? A lot of graphic design on 8 - 32-bit consoles relies upon analog CRT smoothing to enhance color gradients and dithering. But not all graphic design does. Some games suffer from having their sharp, jaggy edges exposed to the light and others are enhanced by it. Further, the resolution the game uses also makes a difference. games in 320 horizontal width are going to match the 4:3 CRT screen ratio better than games that are 256 horizontal width and therefore slightly stretched. And some designers took that stretching into account better than others. You could argue that most games SHOULD have been designed to look best with composite because no PCE accessory officially offers RGB or S-Video out.
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Post by PunkicCyborg on Jun 12, 2018 20:19:03 GMT
I would say that NEC stuff has the biggest difference between comoposite to RGB but it still produces a nice composite picture. The amount of colors NEC consoles produces really is hindered by composite compared to Genesis does brown
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Post by PC Henjin on Jun 19, 2018 23:03:47 GMT
What's a Genesis?
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