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Post by dshadoff on Oct 16, 2021 3:38:25 GMT
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Post by 4lorn on Oct 17, 2021 0:40:12 GMT
Nice. Mr. Richard's done some pretty good Wizardry translations in the past, too (not the PCE versions, though).
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Post by bigusschmuck on Oct 26, 2021 3:52:54 GMT
Nice. Mr. Richard's done some pretty good Wizardry translations in the past, too (not the PCE versions, though). Hey any translation news on the pce is good news indeed! Someone should just do the PCE Wizardry games as they are 80% english anyway. At least the first 4.
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Post by roflmao on Oct 27, 2021 5:21:36 GMT
I'm excited to try both of them! Neither one are a genre I play much on the PCE, so we'll see how far I get on either, haha.
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Post by 4lorn on Nov 1, 2021 1:17:09 GMT
Hey any translation news on the pce is good news indeed! Someone should just do the PCE Wizardry games as they are 80% english anyway. At least the first 4.
I don't think I ever looked closely at the PCE Wizardries, but if the SNES ports are anything to go by, that would still involve a fair bit of hacking, especially when it comes to repointing the order of the combat messages. "FIGHTERは どうする" would translate to "FIGHTER's Command?" or "FIGHTER's Action?", for instance. This is not even going into the lines declaring rounds/number of attacks/damage per attack.
It's strange how the PCE ports are handled, though: the first and second games in one disc, the third and fourth in another, then finally the 5th. It would have made more sense to include the first three together at least as far as narrative and party import/export functions go, but as I said, I don't think I ever looked closely so there may not even be a party import/export function. Does the fourth game in the PCE port acknowledge you're playing as Werdna?
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Post by dshadoff on Nov 1, 2021 1:52:56 GMT
Text-heavy games are unlikely because of the demands that they make on both the programmer and the translator... it would have to be a really good game to get that kind of care, and I'm not hearing that the Wizardrys anre in that category.
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Post by bigusschmuck on Nov 1, 2021 4:13:30 GMT
Hey any translation news on the pce is good news indeed! Someone should just do the PCE Wizardry games as they are 80% english anyway. At least the first 4.
I don't think I ever looked closely at the PCE Wizardries, but if the SNES ports are anything to go by, that would still involve a fair bit of hacking, especially when it comes to repointing the order of the combat messages. "FIGHTERは どうする" would translate to "FIGHTER's Command?" or "FIGHTER's Action?", for instance. This is not even going into the lines declaring rounds/number of attacks/damage per attack.
It's strange how the PCE ports are handled, though: the first and second games in one disc, the third and fourth in another, then finally the 5th. It would have made more sense to include the first three together at least as far as narrative and party import/export functions go, but as I said, I don't think I ever looked closely so there may not even be a party import/export function. Does the fourth game in the PCE port acknowledge you're playing as Werdna?
Yes it does and you be surprised on how much english text is really in there. Completely playable without having to know Japanese. At. All. And adds a few features like the ability to have your monsters gain levels and abilities. Really is the definitive version for us who don't know Japanese. The 4th game was also remade on the PS1 but only on normal mode is in english, arrange mode is completely in Japanese.
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Post by gilbot on Nov 1, 2021 5:23:26 GMT
It's strange how the PCE ports are handled, though: the first and second games in one disc, the third and fourth in another, then finally the 5th. It would have made more sense to include the first three together at least as far as narrative and party import/export functions go, but as I said, I don't think I ever looked closely so there may not even be a party import/export function. Does the fourth game in the PCE port acknowledge you're playing as Werdna?
Note that PCE Wizardary were released in this order: V (1992) --> I+II (1993) --> III+IV (1994) It is possible that Naxat didn't make up their mind to release the previous instalments yet when they released the then recent V, and decided to do so after the responses to V were okay. Unless they chose to release I - IV separately one by one (people would just complain they're greedy for money), or in one single compilation disc (probably not feasible), releasing two games in one compilation disc shoud be the best choice. IF I-III were to be compiled into a single disc, that meant IV had to be released as a single game, which would more likely led to it being never made at all, due to its weirdness and difficulty (even though the series was extremely popular in Japan, IV wasn't, as shown by the fact that it's not even ported to the Famicom or Super Famicom by ASCII).
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Post by dshadoff on Nov 1, 2021 5:33:18 GMT
Given that Wizardry was written by SirTech (including Robert Woodhead of AnimEigo fame), I would expect there to be some English... Looking at the manual just now, there looks to be a fair bit of English on certain screens at least.
How much Japanese is there ? (I've never played these games)
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Post by gilbot on Nov 1, 2021 7:05:00 GMT
Given that Wizardry was written by SirTech (including Robert Woodhead of AnimEigo fame), I would expect there to be some English... It depends on how the translation work was handled though. For example, Ultima III for the Famicom was mostly translated I suppose. However, for Wizardry there seems to be some historical reasons to have a large amount of the text to remain in English, probably began that way in the Japanese computer ports(possibly for the benefits of people who had played non-computer RPGs such as D&D before) and the Famicom series just followed this route, which (because of its success) in turn nearly all the other console versions were either based on the Famicom games or tried to mimick the feels of these games. For example, this was from the PCE version of III+IV, in which only one single line of the whole screen was in Japanese, but there were still instances where stories were told fully in Japanese.
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Post by 4lorn on Nov 1, 2021 11:05:22 GMT
(...) it would have to be a really good game to get that kind of care, and I'm not hearing that the Wizardrys anre in that category. Heresy! Wizardry is great, although I'll admit that it's a hard sell nowadays. The thing with the primordial Wizardries is that they've been ported to so many platforms, most fans of the genre and the series probably already had their fill of those. Not only that, Japan seems to have fallen head over heels with the anime-influenced takes on it (which I loathe), and in the West other stuff - either reminiscent of, or similar to the originals - gets released once in a while. I think the hardest sell is how unfriendly the older titles are toward newer gamers - which, as expected, is often the main draw for older ones.
gilbot and bigusschmuck : Yeah, for some reason, the more conceptually intriguing of the series wasn't very popular - then again, I don't think that the D.W. Bradley stuff was well received there either. 6 and 7 got a Saturn port which made the curious decision to use pre-rendered 3D stuff, but that's as far as Wizardry post-5 got there, I think. Other than ASCII's run on the SNES, with the trilogy adaptation and the unexpectedly great Throb of the Demon's Heart, you also had 5 and 6 on Nintendo's 16-bit... And that was that. To be honest, I never got around to finishing 5. Maybe I was burned out by the series by then, but it just felt more of the same, and not in a good way. I'm not looking into translating these, but I'll make a note to look into them, eventually...
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Post by bigusschmuck on Nov 2, 2021 2:24:45 GMT
(...) it would have to be a really good game to get that kind of care, and I'm not hearing that the Wizardrys anre in that category. Heresy! Wizardry is great, although I'll admit that it's a hard sell nowadays. The thing with the primordial Wizardries is that they've been ported to so many platforms, most fans of the genre and the series probably already had their fill of those. Not only that, Japan seems to have fallen head over heels with the anime-influenced takes on it (which I loathe), and in the West other stuff - either reminiscent of, or similar to the originals - gets released once in a while. I think the hardest sell is how unfriendly the older titles are toward newer gamers - which, as expected, is often the main draw for older ones.
gilbot and bigusschmuck : Yeah, for some reason, the more conceptually intriguing of the series wasn't very popular - then again, I don't think that the D.W. Bradley stuff was well received there either. 6 and 7 got a Saturn port which made the curious decision to use pre-rendered 3D stuff, but that's as far as Wizardry post-5 got there, I think. Other than ASCII's run on the SNES, with the trilogy adaptation and the unexpectedly great Throb of the Demon's Heart, you also had 5 and 6 on Nintendo's 16-bit... And that was that. To be honest, I never got around to finishing 5. Maybe I was burned out by the series by then, but it just felt more of the same, and not in a good way. I'm not looking into translating these, but I'll make a note to look into them, eventually... It sounds at some point I probably should stream Wizardry IV on the PCE just to show everyone it isn't as bad as some of the other ports. Been itching to do some PC Engine and Laseractive streams as we don't really see a lot of those. (Sorry for the thread derailment)
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Post by 4lorn on Nov 18, 2021 12:28:59 GMT
It sounds at some point I probably should stream Wizardry IV on the PCE just to show everyone it isn't as bad as some of the other ports. Been itching to do some PC Engine and Laseractive streams as we don't really see a lot of those. (Sorry for the thread derailment)
No worries, derailing a Wizardry thread about more Wizardry is usually a good thing
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