keithcourage
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Post by keithcourage on Sept 23, 2019 10:24:02 GMT
Still nice to see that this might be playable in English someday whether or not people have issues with the guy or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2020 20:23:44 GMT
Does it really matter for 90%+ of PCEFX's userbase? You guys love to pretend to hate Nightwolf and Tobias but if the translation came out today, sold exclusively via PCEWorks with a 20% discount if you post "I love PCEWorks!" on some thread on this forum, you'd have the biggest megathread of 2020, and quite frankly I'm tired of this double standard. This community has gone to crap in many ways and aside from a few stellar members and contributors it makes it hard to care about anything that goes on here anymore.
One guy banned most of the forum AND the owner itself before closing, bringing us in the current situation where two separate forums with 1/10 of the original userbase as the only substitute for PCEFX, and the other guy tried to pass off his bootlegs as original $500 PCE titles more than once, but no let's look the other way when convenient to get shiny new pressed discs and translations, then resume pretending to not like them again.
edit: just to clarify, no I don't care if you bought the wooden stake dracula X dildo from PCE Works or not, I stopped caring a long time ago, just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Post by nectarsis on Jan 5, 2020 1:24:32 GMT
Does it really matter for 90%+ of PCEFX's userbase? You guys love to pretend to hate Nightwolf and Tobias but if the translation came out today, sold exclusively via PCEWorks with a 20% discount if you post "I love PCEWorks!" on some thread on this forum, you'd have the biggest megathread of 2020, and quite frankly I'm tired of this double standard. This community has gone to crap in many ways and aside from a few stellar members and contributors it makes it hard to care about anything that goes on here anymore. One guy banned most of the forum AND the owner itself before closing, bringing us in the current situation where two separate forums with 1/10 of the original userbase as the only substitute for PCEFX, and the other guy tried to pass off his bootlegs as original $500 PCE titles more than once, but no let's look the other way when convenient to get shiny new pressed discs and translations, then resume pretending to not like them again. edit: just to clarify, no I don't care if you bought the wooden stake dracula X dildo from PCE Works or not, I stopped caring a long time ago, just pointing out the hypocrisy. To be honest, outside the Facebook groups (largely not long time PCEFX members, etc.) from what I've seen most people are still pretty anti Tobias, and his ilk. Most of the "hypocrites" are People that don't know the story haven't been around very long and yes there are people that just don't care but I see very few that were on here back in the day that knew what happened or just say fuck itI'll buy from him because they're cool...thats not common from what I've seen.
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Post by spenoza on Jan 5, 2020 2:54:22 GMT
I think you have a point. Some people will quickly overlook their states principles for an end result they like. I am not one of those, however.
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keithcourage
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Post by keithcourage on Jan 9, 2020 15:58:58 GMT
But translations are free patches usually. It's not like you would have to pay to play it.
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Post by spenoza on Jan 9, 2020 17:01:14 GMT
I don’t think that’s the beef. It’s more that some people seem willing to overlook or ignore community-disrupting bad behavior as long as they are getting something they want.
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Post by SignOfZeta on Jan 9, 2020 19:18:07 GMT
I guess different people will see “endorsement” at a different point.
I have no interest in Tobias’s weird bootleg LEs nor would I pay much more than price of manufacture for any boot. Not only do I not endorse PCEWERX I also think it’s tacky and dumb. Like something that went through the transporter during an ion storm and came through kinda outa whack...like...”what’s it worth?” Worth? To who? I’m just looking at it trying to figure out how to humanely put it down.
If Shitwolf wants to release a high quality patch of a major PCE title I’ll play the game. He’s a psycho bastard for sure but he’s not my ex boyfriend and he’s not Hitler so I see no need try to erase his existence or whatever. Contributions to the scene can be ignored or not by the individual and it changes nothing. What’s the worst that can happen? He sees us posting about how great his patches are and he makes even more? Good! There probably something in your car that was invented by Nazis. How does that make you feel? If it were HIS software I probably just wouldn’t have the taste for it regardless of any other factor but like diesel injectors and vacuum tubes there’re just copies of copies of copies of things, it doesn’t mean you have parallel ideologies with the original developer. If it’s a good translation then that’s all it is. If he worked at a ball bearing factory I’d probably use the ball bearings that came from his factory where 100 other people worked. I will not have any conversation with the guy ever again though.
Sending Tobias money for stupid looking stuff however is twice screwed, IMO and for sure fuels more of the same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 20:51:28 GMT
I guess different people will see “endorsement” at a different point. I have no interest in Tobias’s weird bootleg LEs nor would I pay much more than price of manufacture for any boot. Not only do I not endorse PCEWERX I also think it’s tacky and dumb. Like something that went through the transporter during an ion storm and came through kinda outa whack...like...”what’s it worth?” Worth? To who? I’m just looking at it trying to figure out how to humanely put it down. If Shitwolf wants to release a high quality patch of a major PCE title I’ll play the game. He’s a psycho bastard for sure but he’s not my ex boyfriend and he’s not Hitler so I see no need try to erase his existence or whatever. Contributions to the scene can be ignored or not by the individual and it changes nothing. What’s the worst that can happen? He sees us posting about how great his patches are and he makes even more? Good! There probably something in your car that was invented by Nazis. How does that make you feel? If it were HIS software I probably just wouldn’t have the taste for it regardless of any other factor but like diesel injectors and vacuum tubes there’re just copies of copies of copies of things, it doesn’t mean you have parallel ideologies with the original developer. If it’s a good translation then that’s all it is. If he worked at a ball bearing factory I’d probably use the ball bearings that came from his factory where 100 other people worked. I will not have any conversation with the guy ever again though. Sending Tobias money for stupid looking stuff however is twice screwed, IMO and for sure fuels more of the same thing. The rant was more about Tobias repros than anything else, but this is not about erasing anyone's existence. I had someone (edit: I confused myself in who was talking to me lol) argue that I was butthurt about the Darius Hucard and MD repro from PCEWorks and that no one cares, everdrives are the same thing (they're not), etc. yesterday. Spenoza summed up perfectly what's my beef, I'm not gonna throw anyone under the bus for liking Nightwolfe's stuff (and he has some excellent patches and translations), it's the behaviour I've noticed of trying to dogpile people on the forums while happily receiving promotional stuff (or even buying) on the side that I'm impotently ranting about . Hell I even suggested Gredler to release Catastrophy through PCEWorks since again, very few peeps seem to actually care enough to NOT buy it out of principle.
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Post by Black_Tiger on Jan 9, 2020 21:56:22 GMT
I'm not equating this to anyone and I agree with Punch without believing myself to be beyond reproach, but I couldn't help but think of this:
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Post by DarkKobold on Jan 10, 2020 22:58:39 GMT
The rant was more about Tobias repros than anything else, but this is not about erasing anyone's existence. I had someone (edit: I confused myself in who was talking to me lol) argue that I was butthurt about the Darius Hucard and MD repro from PCEWorks and that no one cares, everdrives are the same thing (they're not), etc. yesterday. Spenoza summed up perfectly what's my beef, I'm not gonna throw anyone under the bus for liking Nightwolfe's stuff (and he has some excellent patches and translations), it's the behaviour I've noticed of trying to dogpile people on the forums while happily receiving promotional stuff (or even buying) on the side that I'm impotently ranting about . Hell I even suggested Gredler to release Catastrophy through PCEWorks since again, very few peeps seem to actually care enough to NOT buy it out of principle. Yeah, we talked about that - the only real way to prevent Tobias from stealing is to beat him to the punch (pun not intended). If we set up a good kickstarter with a decent advertising campaign, we'll get 60-70% of the buyers before anyone aside from Gredler and myself have the final ROM. There's no point in making a 2nd, unofficial release if most of the interested parties already own a physical copy. That said, I can't believe Taito isn't sending that asshole a cease and desist, at the very least. You lose copyright protection if you don't actively enforce it.
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Post by gredler on Jan 10, 2020 23:43:39 GMT
To clarify - DK and I would only do a kick starter if we had a complete game and needed manufacturing funds. I'd love to make physical copies for people who are interested, but I am not going to take a personal loan out to do so lol
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Post by spenoza on Jan 10, 2020 23:44:27 GMT
KONAMI has the biggest stake to lose and they haven’t bothered. Also, you don’t lose your copyright by not defending it (at least in the US). That’s trademark law, not copyright law
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2020 1:18:08 GMT
The rant was more about Tobias repros than anything else, but this is not about erasing anyone's existence. I had someone (edit: I confused myself in who was talking to me lol) argue that I was butthurt about the Darius Hucard and MD repro from PCEWorks and that no one cares, everdrives are the same thing (they're not), etc. yesterday. Spenoza summed up perfectly what's my beef, I'm not gonna throw anyone under the bus for liking Nightwolfe's stuff (and he has some excellent patches and translations), it's the behaviour I've noticed of trying to dogpile people on the forums while happily receiving promotional stuff (or even buying) on the side that I'm impotently ranting about . Hell I even suggested Gredler to release Catastrophy through PCEWorks since again, very few peeps seem to actually care enough to NOT buy it out of principle. Yeah, we talked about that - the only real way to prevent Tobias from stealing is to beat him to the punch (pun not intended). If we set up a good kickstarter with a decent advertising campaign, we'll get 60-70% of the buyers before anyone aside from Gredler and myself have the final ROM. There's no point in making a 2nd, unofficial release if most of the interested parties already own a physical copy. That said, I can't believe Taito isn't sending that asshole a cease and desist, at the very least. You lose copyright protection if you don't actively enforce it. It's very puzzling that something technically developed last year (MD Darius) isn't attracting the attention of Taito, M2 or at the very least Hidecade (who will be VERY HAPPY to see someone else profiting from his homebrew without giving his hard earned royalties M2/Sega is probably paying him).
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Post by Arkhan on Jan 12, 2020 16:28:33 GMT
There was a magical time where people had standards and we collectively shunned this crap.
It's called pre-social media-gaming.
Back when it was just PCEFX, with no moronic FBgroups and youtube gamer streamyjizz shit, none of this would fly.
In the real world, AKA Facebook groups where people aren't anonymous, everyone turned into a pussy for the most part. Shit that wouldn't fly somehow flies fine there. People go ah yeah Tobias did some stupid shit bUT LOOK HE gave Us FREE Stustusutusufuffff. Complete morons run rampant being shady and nobody does much of anything. PCEFX operated great with it's self policing hit squad. That stuff doesn't exist on FB because people like Helg and Necro don't go, and Sinistron died lol. The people who'd be fuckin waging hilarious internet war are not present and all we have left for the most part are the old forum cleanup crew people that came in after the heavy hitting idiots did their walls of text and shit.
With Tobias and such now, we got people sucking the gaming equivalent of herpes dick because "oh they said they took medicine and it's OK now"
Herpes don't go away, my dudes.
Everything is a disjointed circle jerk now of people trying to out-lame each other with collector boxes, repros, and other dumb shit some cunt cooked up in their basement.
If you're going to support that shit, support original shit cooked up by dumb cunts in their basement. stop supporting people basically kinkos'ing some PDF scans or photoshop jobs of stuff they didn't work on so you can have another piece of shit to put on your shelf of crap you don't play but need to display for when you do another dumb video talking about some inane crap you could just find on Wikipedia.
man I had alot of caffeine today.
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Post by Black_Tiger on Jan 12, 2020 16:42:21 GMT
That's the weird thing about people who value bootlegs so much for only existing in small numbers. They should be buying multiple copies of every homebrew. People who identify first as "collectors" of many other consoles actually do.
It's just PC Engine where people shun real and original games. Whenever I see PC Engine homebrew come up in places like atariage most of the responses range from "Wow they finally made a homebrew Turbographics game!" to "I already own all of the facebook NES ports".
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