|
Post by gredler on Sept 19, 2019 0:48:08 GMT
What other projects besides the one you mentioned hasn't been open to discussing its state?
I hope you are the exception when it comes to how NW treats people. He treated me very poorly, and often wonder what I did to deserve that, but am too afraid of him to look into what that was. He is literally scary. If I knew he was in an area I personally would avoid it out of fear for what he might do. Please be careful tobasoft!
|
|
|
Post by spenoza on Sept 19, 2019 1:35:12 GMT
The thing about Xanadu I and II is that the translation and hacking is the work of just 2 people. But then the translator (and workhorse) SamIAm became a dad. Twice. The fact that he’s declared the project isn’t completely dead is a miracle by itself. I have only one kid and I can barely manage my regular work with also parenting. So that makes me very protective of him. He’s out in so much work and has remained friendly, if rarely actually around. The hacker/programmer, Elmer, can be a little stodgy, but I like him in spite of it.
In general I don’t know that there’s a problem asking for an update if it’s been a while, but SamIAm and Elmer have been so good about updating and communicating with the community I tend to be ore defensive when folks come around asking for updates. If SamIAm had time to make progress he’d surely drop in to update us.
|
|
|
Post by slainmonkey on Sept 19, 2019 18:01:53 GMT
I’ve seen NW’s twitter....I mean what he tweets alone should wave a lot of red flags. I’m not belittling the work he’s done, and if he finishes his Emerald Dragon translation, I’m sure it’ll be well done...but he’s certainly someone who gives me uneasy vibes!
|
|
|
Post by tobasoft on Sept 19, 2019 19:19:31 GMT
it's weird, this is such a tiny niche community. one would think that anyone, literally anyone at all attempting to make games playable in english that literally no cares about, expect for a tiny fraction of us, would be appreciated, no matter how weird or unlikable they are.
and I've had many conversations with nightwolve, and exchanged personal information with him (I do english-spanish-french script translation myself). I can see if you don't like him, or his tweets or whatever, but to insinuate that the guy is somehow IRL dangerous is laughable.
edit: the thing that strikes me as odd for the xanadu translations is, well, they're done no? that's the only thing that puzzles me. is this like that samurai shodown rpg situation from years back where the guy just took his complete translation, showed a complete youtube playthrough of it and told everyone to fuck off borat style? (you'll never get this!)
|
|
|
Post by spenoza on Sept 19, 2019 20:26:23 GMT
No, it’s that there is spoken language content in Xanadu and not enough system memory to add subtitles, so the voices have to be dubbed over. They don’t want to release it until the voice work is done. They didn’t want to release an incomplete product. And decent voice work is a lot more work than text translation.
|
|
|
Post by spenoza on Sept 19, 2019 20:28:23 GMT
If you were there when NW sabotaged the old forum and demonized anyone who disagrees with him I don’t think you’d be so “meh” about things. I legitimately do think he’s the kind of person who could conceivably be pushed from being an ass to actual real-world harm.
|
|
|
Post by DarkKobold on Sept 19, 2019 22:02:13 GMT
If you were there when NW sabotaged the old forum and demonized anyone who disagrees with him I don’t think you’d be so “meh” about things. I legitimately do think he’s the kind of person who could conceivably be pushed from being an ass to actual real-world harm. Nightwolve is a lot of things - a violent person isn't one of them. He's had 10+ years to go on a rampage at the XSeed office, and he hasn't. He provides tons of lulz, and is an angry, pathetic loser, but lets not paint him as the next mass shooter.
|
|
|
Post by elmer on Sept 19, 2019 22:16:11 GMT
didn't see anyone posting about this here which seems strange to me, so for all those like me who are looking forward to this here's some good news! It's good to see that NightWolve has found a new translation partner, and is actually making some progress with this. If he hadn't burned his bridges with so many of the people in the community, then it would have been nice for someone to have actually helped him make the game text look a bit better. I'm sorry, but seeing a fixed-width font in a 1994 game just makes me die inside. I kinda hope someone takes up dubbing the dialog too, like what happened with Ys IV. This is a really good game, and honestly deserves a similar treatment! From that YouTube video, the game appears to subtitle all of the vocal lines in the cutscenes (by which I mean the text boxes). Therefore a dub isn't necessary in order to understand the story, and it would just add a tremendous amount of work to the translation for little actual benefit. On top of which, there are actually a significant portion of people who prefer subtitles to dubs. Nothing is going to come of Nightwolve's attempt, since he burned the entire PC Engine community, but hopefully another programmer with take a shot. I don't think that anyone else will take up the task unless NightWolve actually declares that he has abandoned the project. If he's making progress, however slowly, or however doomed some might feel his chances are, then I believe that he should get his opportunity to finish it. After all, he has finished many projects before, and he knows just how much work is involved. Outside of a person being arrested or accused of a crime, I'll still give a person grudging/willing respect for their achievements. This! He has done a lot of good work, and deserves at-least grudging respect for that. His ability to burn through working-relationships, blame everyone else but himself, and go on toxic rants against anyone that doesn't agree with him, make him an exceedingly bad risk (IMHO) for anyone that contemplates working with him in the future ... but that is absolutely their choice to make. Going by the credits he listed in that video, he's likely using the work of people who don't want him to. My understanding is that Dave Shadoff passed the project off to NightWolve a couple of years ago, and AFAIK SamIAm is absolutely fine with NightWolve using his old partial-translation ... he just isn't interested in working with NightWolve to finish the game off.
|
|
|
Post by paranoiadragon on Sept 20, 2019 0:13:38 GMT
As far as a dub goes, I agree that it's not necessary for emerald dragon if everything is subtitled already. I'm one of those guys that would absolutely benefit from a dub, however I'm satisfied with the fact that the game could be played in English with the Japanese voice acting. So I can at least understand and enjoy the entire story, even if subs personally grate on my nerves, it's greatly appreciated. It's a shame that so many games don't already have subtitles implemented in the cinemas, I think that would motivate more people to translate more games. There's way too many games that I want to play in English from back in the day on the Turbob.
|
|
|
Post by spenoza on Sept 20, 2019 1:29:32 GMT
If you were there when NW sabotaged the old forum and demonized anyone who disagrees with him I don’t think you’d be so “meh” about things. I legitimately do think he’s the kind of person who could conceivably be pushed from being an ass to actual real-world harm. Nightwolve is a lot of things - a violent person isn't one of them. He's had 10+ years to go on a rampage at the XSeed office, and he hasn't. He provides tons of lulz, and is an angry, pathetic loser, but lets not paint him as the next mass shooter. I don’t know that he will, but I can’t help but think there’s a possibility he could. I would be glad to be wrong, and certainly hope you are a better judge of raging losers than I am. As for respect... I think it’s impossible to fully separate the person from their work. It may be mostly possible, but I can’t 100% that.
|
|
|
Post by gredler on Sept 20, 2019 3:21:36 GMT
Outside of a person being arrested or accused of a crime, I'll still give a person grudging/willing respect for their achievements. This! He has done a lot of good work, and deserves at-least grudging respect for that. His ability to burn through working-relationships, blame everyone else but himself, and go on toxic rants against anyone that doesn't agree with him, make him an exceedingly bad risk (IMHO) for anyone that contemplates working with him in the future ... but that is absolutely their choice to make. Thank you both for putting this up, and I feel exactly the same. I have a great appreciation for his development effort and am thankful for his contribution, but still would prefer to stay off his radar as much as possible. And elmer, welcome back, I hope all is well
|
|
|
Post by slainmonkey on Sept 20, 2019 5:19:02 GMT
Actually there are cutscenes that don’t have text subtitles.
|
|
|
Post by SignOfZeta on Sept 20, 2019 15:38:13 GMT
Nightwolve is a lot of things - a violent person isn't one of them. He's had 10+ years to go on a rampage at the XSeed office, and he hasn't. He provides tons of lulz, and is an angry, pathetic loser, but lets not paint him as the next mass shooter. I don’t know that he will, but I can’t help but think there’s a possibility he could. I would be glad to be wrong, and certainly hope you are a better judge of raging losers than I am. As for respect... I think it’s impossible to fully separate the person from their work. It may be mostly possible, but I can’t 100% that. Some people can do that. That’s why Michael Vick still gets paid. Some people have no morality whatsoever. Give them the exact thing they want and they don’t care one bit. You could have kids chained up in your basement next to the pit bulls and this dude wouldn’t care because Emerald Dragon. It has to be said, a big part of what casual Nightwolf fans may be missing...they may be missing it because it was deleted by Nighfwolf. He conducts himself with zero honor, deleting what he’s said, what we’ve said. All the really horrible stuff isn’t going to be on his damn Twitter feed since that stuff has to obeys Twitter terms. The *really* insane shit he sends as a PM or via some means where there is no oversight or moderation.
|
|
|
Post by tobasoft on Sept 20, 2019 17:12:25 GMT
okay, okay, hang on.
did you really just compare Nightwolve being mean on the internet to Michael Vick and chaining up children next to pit bulls? ...I don't even..
that is completely and utterly unhinged. honestly, the only sane reply I've read so far came from elmer. this is bananas. like, Nightwolve is some dude who works for free on cool projects and maybe has an anger issue, and/or votes for people you don't like, like, the level of demonization is actually blowing my mind right now.
you would think the dude committed an actual crime of some sort, I would laugh if you people weren't actually serious.
|
|
|
Post by SignOfZeta on Sept 20, 2019 19:57:39 GMT
No, I didn’t compare Nightwolf to Michael Vick. That would be crazy!
I compared Nightwolf fans to Michael Vick fans because they both have infinite forgiveness for anything outside of their minuscule area of interest.
|
|