fragmare
Punkic Cyborg
Posts: 116
Homebrew skills: Graphics, Music, Level Design, Annoying Programmers
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Post by fragmare on Feb 13, 2019 20:27:38 GMT
what the Jaguar could have been ^^^ lol
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TailChao
Gun-headed
I Must Eat Muffin Gear.
Posts: 68
Fave PCE Game Overall: Bonk's Adventure
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Post by TailChao on Feb 13, 2019 20:37:16 GMT
I tried working with the Jaguar several years back, you can push a lot of pixels but the overall design is kinda gibberish. CoJag is a little less bad. The nature of the 32x frame buffer limits frame rate, much like the 3do. Frame buffers were just not up to 60 FPS gaming at the time. I think the 32x and 3do couldn’t push more than 30 FPS for frame buffer output. DF Retro has some videos that go into more detail on the subject. You can hit 60fps on the 3DO, but it's not trivial because of the low fillrate. I can say though, that the 3DO is very friendly to work with and is probably my favorite rendering setup for 2D graphics. It's just not very fast. what the Jaguar could have been ^^^ lol Technically, that's what it became.
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Post by dragonmasterdan on Feb 13, 2019 22:44:30 GMT
My hometown was extra hardcore for video games from everything I've read online over the years. We had massive stock of SMS games around to buy and rent, lots of Famicom games, rental stores had imports from Europe, Japan and the U.S. We got different models of 3DO hardware and games to buy and rent, multiple stores sold the Turbo-CD and I bought PCE CD games in town. There were so many arcade games... but the Jaguar was never available. When I moved to Vancouver it was a big city version pf this with the most obscure games and harsware all over the place. But the only place I found that had Jaguar besides EB was a record store chain. Lots of 3DO and 32X everywhere though. Maybe it was different in the U.S. for Jaguar, but from what people have said over the years, we had it better than almost everywhere in the U.S. for all other console gaming. Electronic Boutique, Babbages, Software Etc and Toys R Us all seemed pretty well stocked after Tempest 2000 came out in Spring of 94. A few other larger stores like "Venture" which was a Midwestern chain similar to Target also carried it. But yeah, it may have been different in Canada
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Post by Galahad on Feb 13, 2019 23:00:00 GMT
I bought my Jaguar at Electronic Boutique but all the stores specializing in console games carried both the 3DO and Jaguar here in Ontario,Canada.Toy R Us also sold both systems here.Mind you though I resided in the capitol of Canada so it very well could have been different in Black_Tigers province.
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Post by bigusschmuck on Feb 14, 2019 3:27:53 GMT
About the only reason why I want the Jag CD is to play ports of Atari ST games. If it wasn't so expensive I would have gotten a Jag CD ages ago.
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Post by tron on Jun 29, 2020 9:45:23 GMT
Bump for anyone that is interested the atari jaguar flash cart has been released finally.
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Post by SignOfZeta on Jun 29, 2020 16:07:04 GMT
The Jag sucks. The games on it that aren’t ports suck. The fans suck. The homebrew sucks. It sucks.
People think that because it’s black and usually found covered in dust at a garage sales there must be some relationship to the Turbo, there isn’t. The Turbo has hundreds of games. It’s humble. It doesn’t suck. The Jag was a low quality system (as in literally defective) it had low quality games (Youtube that) and, it sold almost nothing despite the gross hype and lies they spun around it. I’d also like to say that the Neo isn’t in that group of looser systems either. That group is Jag, 3DO, CDi,, that’s it.
While there are some good games on the Jag if you remove the ones that aren’t exclusives it becomes a very short list. Shorter than the list of decent Arcade Card games and I only tell PCE people to get an Arcade Card after you have at least 20 other games.
Is the Jag the worst system ever made? Maybe. It’s probably the worst one made after 1990 though. We for sure knew better at that point. With the SNES, MD, Neo, and PCE all still going it would have been hard for even the best thing buildable to even get noticed...but you don’t have to worry about it. The Jag was closer to the worst thing buildable. Embarrassing trash, is what it is.
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Post by spenoza on Jun 29, 2020 18:08:53 GMT
The 3DO was actually a decent hardware design. It just came out during this little weird window where what came shortly after was just a lot better. There are a few unique and interesting titles on the 3DO, however. The CDI does indeed suck for games (I'm not really sure what it's actually good for). And you're right. The Jaguar is just a buggy POS. There's some neat ideas inside it, but it's like pre-beta grade hardware. I think if they'd had more time to refine the design and work out the bugs it would have been at least passable. As it stands, the best games on the Jaguar are very much despite the bugs and design decisions.
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Post by SignOfZeta on Jun 30, 2020 3:06:29 GMT
The 3DO was actually a decent hardware design. It just came out during this little weird window where what came shortly after was just a lot better. There are a few unique and interesting titles on the 3DO, however. The CDI does indeed suck for games (I'm not really sure what it's actually good for). And you're right. The Jaguar is just a buggy POS. There's some neat ideas inside it, but it's like pre-beta grade hardware. I think if they'd had more time to refine the design and work out the bugs it would have been at least passable. As it stands, the best games on the Jaguar are very much despite the bugs and design decisions. There are in fact some good 3DO games. It was sort of a real console in Japan for about three months. Policenauts was a pretty amazing thing to see. I think once devs saw the PlayStation though they basically jumped ship with all their projects instantly, as anyone would. Since these crap systems are made by crap companies with no corporate identity whatsoever they age poorly. How good is “the best version of NBA Jam/Street Fighter/Samurai Showdown” from 1993 when it’s currently 2020 and you can emulate it perfectly for free? It’s hard to make a console worth keeping without a Hudson or a Sega or something to give it a permanent classic status. So while the 3DO had a really good soccer game and I enjoyed it when I rented it for free from work it wasn’t lastingly good stuff any more than the shitty Genesis version was or wasn’t. My favorite 3DO game is Return Fire and I prefer that one to the Sony one so the 3DO is, IMO, worth keeping around for that game alone. Most of its other titles are either horrible or playable on other systems past or future. Clearly whoever could afford any one of the loser systems (CDi, 3DO, Jag) should have spent their money on SNK stuff.
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Post by paranoiadragon on Aug 30, 2020 6:41:58 GMT
Bump for anyone that is interested the atari jaguar flash cart has been released finally.
I'm picking it up. I hate to ask this, but does anyone know where I can find a lot of The Homebrew games online? I already own most of them, but I'd like to put them on the flash cart and I've had trouble finding them online. Same goes for all the Homebrew Lynx games for the new Lynx flash card. I own games like Zaku, but I want to put them on the flash card for easy access.
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Post by tron on Aug 30, 2020 7:51:17 GMT
Bump for anyone that is interested the atari jaguar flash cart has been released finally.
I'm picking it up. I hate to ask this, but does anyone know where I can find a lot of The Homebrew games online? I already own most of them, but I'd like to put them on the flash cart and I've had trouble finding them online. Same goes for all the Homebrew Lynx games for the new Lynx flash card. I own games like Zaku, but I want to put them on the flash card for easy access. I don't know so i can't help ya there.
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