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Post by audreyhepburn on Nov 13, 2022 12:54:31 GMT
Anyone know if there's any info on how they did the sound?
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Post by gredler on Nov 13, 2022 19:00:08 GMT
Anyone know if there's any info on how they did the sound? I would guess that it was 3.21 huc and squirrel. Super curious to hear more
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noelleamelie
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Homebrew skills: Musician (Tracker, MML, MIDI)
Fave PCE Shooter: Soldier Blade
Fave PCE Platformer: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE Game Overall: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE RPG: Ys IV: Dawn of Ys
Currently Playing: AliceSoft RPGs
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Post by noelleamelie on Nov 25, 2022 20:41:59 GMT
Anyone know if there's any info on how they did the sound? I would guess that it was 3.21 huc and squirrel. Super curious to hear more I can chime in on this since I'm doing the music! I do not quite recall the version of HUC off the top of my head, but yes, I'm using Squirrel for the music. It's pretty janky but it's all we got, and I'm making the best of it. The workflow is mocking up the tracks in Furnace Tracker and then porting them over once finished.
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Post by gredler on Nov 26, 2022 7:45:46 GMT
Are you exporting the channels individually? We tried using the tracker to mml workflows but hit a lot of hurdles and kinda just gave up and started asking for people to help find an alternative hahah
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noelleamelie
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Posts: 18
Homebrew skills: Musician (Tracker, MML, MIDI)
Fave PCE Shooter: Soldier Blade
Fave PCE Platformer: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE Game Overall: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE RPG: Ys IV: Dawn of Ys
Currently Playing: AliceSoft RPGs
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Post by noelleamelie on Nov 26, 2022 15:38:47 GMT
I just transcribe directly from the tracker; I don't put too much thought into it since I can convert note lengths and times in my head, so I look at what's written in the tracker and then write some equivalent MML. Usually I'll write things out one channel at a time; so I'll transcribe the drums, then the bassline, guitars, melody, etc... making sure there's no notes that are off time along the way.
The hurdles I've personally encountered have more to do with serious trouble getting envelopes to cooperate - maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but pitch envelopes and custom volume envelopes haven't worked for me. I've been composing around it though.
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Post by gredler on Nov 27, 2022 0:04:14 GMT
I just transcribe directly from the tracker; I don't put too much thought into it since I can convert note lengths and times in my head, so I look at what's written in the tracker and then write some equivalent MML. Usually I'll write things out one channel at a time; so I'll transcribe the drums, then the bassline, guitars, melody, etc... making sure there's no notes that are off time along the way.
The hurdles I've personally encountered have more to do with serious trouble getting envelopes to cooperate - maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but pitch envelopes and custom volume envelopes haven't worked for me. I've been composing around it though. Wow good to know thanks for sharing. We basically only has success directly writing mml based on what was made elsewhere. Without fruity loops I haven't successfully done midi to mml to squirrel/huc. As far as I know the pitch and custom envelopes didn't work for us either
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noelleamelie
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Posts: 18
Homebrew skills: Musician (Tracker, MML, MIDI)
Fave PCE Shooter: Soldier Blade
Fave PCE Platformer: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE Game Overall: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE RPG: Ys IV: Dawn of Ys
Currently Playing: AliceSoft RPGs
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Post by noelleamelie on Nov 27, 2022 18:44:37 GMT
Wow good to know thanks for sharing. We basically only has success directly writing mml based on what was made elsewhere. Without fruity loops I haven't successfully done midi to mml to squirrel/huc. As far as I know the pitch and custom envelopes didn't work for us either I tried to play with MIDI to MML at one point but I didn't have much success; it seems pretty difficult to get to cooperate. I'm used to working with trackers and reading those so for me that's been the most efficient method to mock things up.
Good to know I'm also not the only one who is struggling with custom envelopes. I wish I knew what was happening there but all I can do is work around it :/
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Post by gredler on Nov 27, 2022 20:36:08 GMT
The author of the tools at one point suggested to me lots of short fast notes that will sound like it's shifting from one to another as a work around when I asked about them, it's not ideal.
Hopefully soon trackers can be used because it seems like most recreational musicians these days use trackers for chiptunes more so than MML and fruity loops. Right now however the only fully functional sound pipeline is squirrel aka mml. Hopefully 2023 is the year of the tracker on pce homebrew though, praying to the engineering God's that it's going to get to a usable state this year! Right now you can play PSG music with PCM sfx on one channel. Hopefully soon we can have PSG sfx working on two channels in addition to PSG music :pray:
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Post by SignOfZeta on Nov 28, 2022 12:45:18 GMT
What would get me into making PCE tunes would be a VST plugin that both emulates the PCE PSG but also exports usable code for running on an actual PCE.
A lot of work, sure, but if it were a VST it would give PCE composition capabilities to everyone using a DAW, across multiple platforms, applications and probably for longer than individual packages would.
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noelleamelie
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Posts: 18
Homebrew skills: Musician (Tracker, MML, MIDI)
Fave PCE Shooter: Soldier Blade
Fave PCE Platformer: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE Game Overall: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE RPG: Ys IV: Dawn of Ys
Currently Playing: AliceSoft RPGs
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Post by noelleamelie on Nov 28, 2022 17:38:59 GMT
That'd be an ideal solution for sure, since way more people know how to operate a DAW compared to a tracker or MML. I think the most practical solution right now would be to find some sort of way to integrate a usable code export into Furnace Tracker, since that's open source and a very robust tool.
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Post by spenoza on Nov 28, 2022 17:48:10 GMT
Are you generating all your envelopes from scratch, then? Are you using that audio tool that someone released that lets you see what different waveform/envelope combos sound like?
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noelleamelie
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Homebrew skills: Musician (Tracker, MML, MIDI)
Fave PCE Shooter: Soldier Blade
Fave PCE Platformer: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE Game Overall: Rondo of Blood
Fave PCE RPG: Ys IV: Dawn of Ys
Currently Playing: AliceSoft RPGs
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Post by noelleamelie on Nov 28, 2022 17:57:42 GMT
Normally, if I'm just composing music with no intent of using it in a game, then I'll write all my envelopes and waveforms from scratch. Since custom envelopes aren't working in Squirrel however, I'm using the envelopes that are baked into the engine. To be honest most of them are rubbish, but Envelope 4 (plucky sound), Envelope 11 (long release), and Envelope 0 (no envelope) are all very usable, so I've been writing my music with those in mind. Like I mentioned before, I mock all my stuff up in Furnace Tracker around the limits of Squirrel (so I limit what envelopes I can use, don't use vibrato, etc...) and then manually write out equivalent MML. All of the waveforms are original, because adding new waveforms *does* work in Squirrel.
If anyone wants to look at my MML, I'm more than happy to upload one of the tracks as an attachment here for examining and maybe understanding how to work with Squirrel better
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Post by turboxray on Nov 28, 2022 18:34:14 GMT
That'd be an ideal solution for sure, since way more people know how to operate a DAW compared to a tracker or MML. That couldn't be farther from the truth for actual/real chiptunes and chiptune musicians for original hardware.
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Post by gredler on Nov 28, 2022 19:24:12 GMT
When I created waveforms for mml it was like 4 years ago but I remember using a tracker to create the sound I wanted then tried to recreate that by hand in mml code until I got something similarish. Sharing your MML would be awesome, but I am curious what Billy used for his HuC version, was he on a 3.9 variant with squirrel patched to be compatible? I think most people are dead in the water for audio right now unless they go that route or use 3.21 huc
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Post by SignOfZeta on Nov 28, 2022 20:57:47 GMT
That'd be an ideal solution for sure, since way more people know how to operate a DAW compared to a tracker or MML. That couldn't be farther from the truth for actual/real chiptunes and chiptune musicians for original hardware. Are there people who ONLY make chip tunes? I’d wager anyone making chip tunes can figure out how to use GarageBand a lot faster than any guy with a music career can figure out how to get some ancient obscure freeware going.
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