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Post by dshadoff on Nov 26, 2020 17:23:33 GMT
What will keep these games alive forever is that they have all been dumped and recopied millions of times. While this is true... and also, the quality of public dumps has improved dramatically since 2000, I did find bad dumps still floating around. One such bad dump was for BeBall, which I bought extra copies in Japan to confirm. I think I may have overdone it... I have 4 copies which all agree (versus an internet dump which has a bad byte). I think there were other bad hucard dumps, but I don't recall specifics. As for CD dumps, the redump collection has at least a clear issue with Dungeon Explorer II US. The cut-scenes contain some bad graphic data. I confirmed this by playing the same sequence using the bad dump versus my own dump from the original (while debugging the MiSTer core). I haven't checked them out more thoroughly than looking at bug reports though. For some reason, they insist on using a horrible extract format.
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exodus
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Post by exodus on Nov 26, 2020 18:42:57 GMT
If there were a list of bad dumps I'd be happy to try and contribute correct ones!
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Post by dshadoff on Nov 26, 2020 18:58:32 GMT
I'm not sure how you're going to displace a bad rip with a good one. Even if you know how to contact the originator of all sets, there is still an education campaign which needs to take place.
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Post by a on Nov 27, 2020 8:23:45 GMT
Everyone should own a turbo everdrive in case their games start dying. Yeah, I’ll still bet on the factory HuCARD over garagista flash stuff. I’ve never had a HuCARD or CD die on me whereas every flash card I’ve ever owned has died. What will keep these games alive forever is that they have all been dumped and recopied millions of times. The global mega RAID of video game piracy. You can’t place all your bets on any individual digital storage system. If you want one game to last forever your best bet is to hand print the binary onto paper and seal it in a airtight radiation-proof box, then bury that in a concrete tomb 100 feet below the earth’s surface. Then, when they thaw your head in 1000 years you can use your new robot body to dig up the vault and hand transcribe the binary into whatever sort of computer system exists in the future. Since that’s unlikely to be something even the most hardcore PCE will do, I suggest we just play our HuCARDs and CDs until they quit. Mask ROMs and pressed CDs are as set in stone and as totally unrepairable as anything can be. There is nothing you can do to save them and their ghosts are already preserved. Your flashcarts die? What flash carts have you had? I play my turbo everdrive almost every day. The 2.5 revision is properly attenuated/level shifted and everything. Super stable. I want a genesis/MD one to go with it eventually
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Post by SignOfZeta on Nov 27, 2020 15:04:33 GMT
The Turbo Everdrive is a lot newer than many flash cards. I have the Tototek card, the “super simple” one (whatever it was called), I have some custom made HuCARDs that have died too. Both my GBA flash cards are dead....I haven’t owned a ton, but they are all dead. They all cost money that could have gotten me a game that still works. I’ve never lost a retail cart in my life and I got my first games in the early 80s.
I think using flash cards all the time makes people think their carts are going to evaporate. They look at the carts on the wall that have become useless and untouched and start to see frailty that isn’t there. Maybe it’s a combination of “the Sky is falling” groupthink and the value of your game collection doubling every three years that causes you to create justifications for selling it all.
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keithcourage
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Post by keithcourage on Nov 29, 2020 12:05:33 GMT
I've only come across 2 dead Hu cards in my life that have been part of my collection and 1 of them was a game I owned as a kid. So sometimes age has nothing to do with it.
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DutchDimension
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Post by DutchDimension on Nov 29, 2020 12:52:57 GMT
I've only come across 2 dead Hu cards in my life that have been part of my collection and 1 of them was a game I owned as a kid. So sometimes age has nothing to do with it. So not too bad then. Failure due to mechanical stress would account for a significant amount of HuCard problems, one would assume.
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esteban
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Post by esteban on Dec 10, 2020 2:31:33 GMT
After hundreds of HuCARDs passing through my hands, I've only encountered a handful of corrupted ones (corrupted graphics, but no amount of cleaning, tender re-positioning could fix), and maybe 1-2 that were just "dead". I know this isn't a scientific sample, but I used to buy cheap lots 20 years ago and give folks duplicates/garbage i had no interest in playing. So, I definitely had "abused" HuCARDs that were not necessarily treated well (lots of wear and tear). Surprisingly, when we discussed this in the past, PC Genjin 2 came up as a problematic HuCARD... now, I'm sure TONS of these HuCARDs were manufactured (IIRC, it was a decent seller for Hudson)... but I always wondered if we just happened to get HuCARDs that were submerged in orange juice..... or if there were some bad lots/batches.
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Post by SignOfZeta on Dec 10, 2020 16:31:12 GMT
PC Genjin 2 does seem to be the HuCARD voted more likely to be dead.
BTW, I’ve been going through my CD singles for the past couple of months and taking a half dozen with me to work in the car. I have a few hundred CD singles that mostly haven’t been heard in years. Last week I found that both discs of New Order’s Ruined in a Day have pinholes. They play perfectly but the pinholes are very visible. These are PDO UK discs that were already bronzing when I got them 27 years ago so clearly they’ve rotted from being pressed at PDO more than from age. I have other NO discs pressed during that same period but in the US, thousands of miles from Blackburn UK, and they are all perfect.
I hate that factory...that probably doesn’t exist anymore...
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Post by dshadoff on Dec 10, 2020 18:47:37 GMT
I had issues with copies of both PC Genjin 2 and Bonk 2. It seems that something changed around that time in terms of manufacturing - maybe a second-source supply, or changing from optical-mask PROMs to electrically-programmable, or something like that
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Post by SignOfZeta on Dec 10, 2020 20:55:07 GMT
If they were programable that might explain both versions failing since nothing else really connects the two versions of Bonk 2. 4mb HuCARDs were already standard by then.
How about Silent Debugers or Tailspin? They are both 1991 and 4mb but probably didn’t sell like Bonk and so would be hard to find defective copies of. How about Neutopoia II (JP)? I’m trying to think of a top selling 1991 4mb HuCARD...
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Post by dshadoff on Dec 10, 2020 23:10:26 GMT
OK, for sure these (not all are the same timeframe):
JPN: Darius Plus Power League 4 (2 copies !) F1 Triple Battle R-Type II PC Genjin 2
US: Boxing Champions Champions Forever Boxing Ballistix Bonk's Revenge
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esteban
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Post by esteban on Dec 14, 2020 0:18:14 GMT
Well, I am pledging now to check my copies of the games listed (well, not Darius Plus).
I know that R-Type II is fine for me, but I haven't played the other games in quite some time.
Because I am a dumdum, I have two copies of Champions Forever Boxing. I am going to have my kids listen to the song w/ voice samples... (the only actual enjoyment I can derive from the game).
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