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Post by ndiddy on Mar 27, 2020 17:39:00 GMT
IDK how many of you guys have seen this video, but I found it interesting to see all the games that were being considered for a US release.
Game list for the interested: Exile 2 (Released) Lords of Thunder (Released) Snatcher (Unreleased in the US) Gain Ground SX (Unreleased in the US) Horror Story (Unreleased in the US) SimEarth (Released) Bomberman '93 (Released) Dangerous Journeys (Unreleased anywhere)
Dungeon Explorer 2 (Released) Gradius 2 (Unreleased in the US) Bonk 3 (Released) Super Air Zonk (Released) Cotton (Released) Image Fight 2 (Unreleased in the US) Beyond Shadowgate (Released) World Heroes (Unreleased anywhere) King of the Monsters 2 (Unreleased anywhere) Cosmic Fantasy 3 (Unreleased in the US) Macross Simulation (Unreleased in the US) Ranma 1/2 (Unreleased in the US)
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Post by Black_Tiger on Mar 27, 2020 17:45:45 GMT
TTi loved to just list any random PC Engine game as coming soon. Even when they knew for a fact that they wouldn't be able to secure the rights to bring them over.
Even though the friendly lady at Working Designs (or TTi?) told paranoiadragon that Cosmic Fantasy 3 was totally done and that their Neo Geo ports were real, we now know that they weren't actually capable of making games and were relying on the companies they licensed from to program their localizations.
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Post by ndiddy on Mar 27, 2020 18:47:45 GMT
Even though the friendly lady at Working Designs (or TTi?) told paranoiadragon that Cosmic Fantasy 3 was totally done and that their Neo Geo ports were real, we now know that they weren't actually capable of making games and were relying on the companies they licensed from to program their localizations. IDK about Cosmic Fantasy (the video didn't show any text), but the Neo Geo ports look pretty real in the video (part 3, around 2:35)
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Post by Black_Tiger on Mar 27, 2020 19:54:32 GMT
Even though the friendly lady at Working Designs (or TTi?) told paranoiadragon that Cosmic Fantasy 3 was totally done and that their Neo Geo ports were real, we now know that they weren't actually capable of making games and were relying on the companies they licensed from to program their localizations. IDK about Cosmic Fantasy (the video didn't show any text), but the Neo Geo ports look pretty real in the video (part 3, around 2:35) All I saw was the same mocked up title screens that they passed on to game mags. I'm not aware of even any mockups of in-game content.
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Post by Mathius on Mar 27, 2020 21:27:57 GMT
Thank you for linking to these videos. I have a real-life friend that's featured in these, plus possibly a few more that attended the show but didn't get filmed.
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Post by ndiddy on Mar 27, 2020 22:15:56 GMT
IDK about Cosmic Fantasy (the video didn't show any text), but the Neo Geo ports look pretty real in the video (part 3, around 2:35) All I saw was the same mocked up title screens that they passed on to game mags. I'm not aware of even any mockups of in-game content.
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Post by Mathius on Mar 27, 2020 23:27:41 GMT
Kinda hard to see what's on the screen. I still haven't completely watched all those vids yet to get a better view. Even if it was World Heroes it could always have been the Japanese version. They would've had to have made the Arcade Card available stateside, as well, which complicates matters.
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Post by Black_Tiger on Mar 28, 2020 0:28:02 GMT
All I saw was the same mocked up title screens that they passed on to game mags. I'm not aware of even any mockups of in-game content. Working Designs gave magazube screenshots of the Neo Geo version of at least King of Monsters bitd. Any footage of those two games on display was likely Neo Geo. Much more telling is the uncut footage of their demo, which cycled from WH title screen, to WD logo, to KoM title screen. I don't doubt that work began on Cosmic Fantasy 3, but I don't remember if we ever saw more than a single screenshot.
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Post by ndiddy on Mar 28, 2020 1:18:43 GMT
Working Designs gave magazube screenshots of the Neo Geo version of at least King of Monsters bitd. Any footage of those two games on display was likely Neo Geo. Much more telling is the uncut footage of their demo, which cycled from WH title screen, to WD logo, to KoM title screen. I don't doubt that work began on Cosmic Fantasy 3, but I don't remember if we ever saw more than a single screenshot. Not the same screen, there's a clear jump cut.
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Post by SignOfZeta on Mar 28, 2020 17:44:20 GMT
Their CES stuff from 1992 sold me on the system. When much of it hadn’t arrived by the time of the 93 show I pretty much just switched to importing. The Turbo was getting pretty old by then and you have to get the games when they are still in the stores. I could buy Macross 2036 now from the one store left that still had a copy or I could wait until TTI eventually put it out...which never happened. That was pretty much the choice.
Trying to hype the Duo with games so old they’re out of print in Japan for a year...I guess I would have tried the same thing but clearly it didn’t work.
In hindsight few could have imagined how brief the whole Neo port thing lasted. If the AC and FF/WH games had been localized it just would have put TTI out of business sooner. By 94 SNK had decided to restrict ports and have a go with the Neo CD. By the time that failed the Saturn had become the port machine of choice. An arcade card released in the US would have been actively supported even less than Japan and it wasn’t even worth it there.
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Post by paranoiadragon on Mar 28, 2020 22:21:12 GMT
TTi loved to just list any random PC Engine game as coming soon. Even when they knew for a fact that they wouldn't be able to secure the rights to bring them over. Even though the friendly lady at Working Designs (or TTi?) told paranoiadragon that Cosmic Fantasy 3 was totally done and that their Neo Geo ports were real, we now know that they weren't actually capable of making games and were relying on the companies they licensed from to program their localizations. It actually wasn't her that told me about the completion of any WD games. It's was one of the guys from WD(not Vic Ireland, one of the other guys whose name now escapes me) that told me about World Heroes & King of the Monsters 2 being complete. Supposedly they had a good relationship with SNK. My memory is telling me that it was actually SNK that did the programming, but I can't confirm that being what he said. The lady at TTI told me about Macross 2036 being basically done but had some glitches that basically weren't able to get fixed (because they ran out of money I assume). I hope all of that is true, as I would love for those to show up someday even if unfinished!
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Post by SignOfZeta on Mar 29, 2020 5:20:05 GMT
I was also told over the phone that 2036 was done. This was in 94 I think.
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Post by Black_Tiger on Mar 29, 2020 15:21:59 GMT
If Macros 2036 was really localized, I wonder if they had to edit out depictions of the SDF1 and Minmei, in order to avoid Harmony Gold going after them?
If not, it would be weird to have technical issues over a small amount of text swapped out for English and English audio swapped in (I think it was all redbook).
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Post by SignOfZeta on Mar 29, 2020 18:10:29 GMT
It depends how the license would have worked. If they sold it as a Robotech product they would have to pay to localize it, also pay NCS/Masaya. If they sold it as. Macross product they would have to pay Big West instead of HG and possibly censor out everything that resembled the OG TV show. I can’t see HG ever signing off on this though, just suing people over it.
Harmony Good absolutely sucks, btw. They prevent good stuff from entering the US and instead create all new sub standard crap as a substitute. Revolting.
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Post by keithcourage on Mar 29, 2020 22:55:26 GMT
I got this at the 92 CES show in Chicago. It's a flyer. Obviously a Macross promo. I also have a Bomberman hat and a plastic Bonk Bone. I used to have a case/lunch box of sorts that included a pair of binoculars, Frisbee, sun glasses, stickers. All with TTI logos on them. I sold it to a fellow pcenginefx member years ago. Oh and my avatar? That's a pic of me trying out games at the CES show. Pic was from a turboplay issue. The games that I remember playing the most from the show was Lords of Thunder, Ghost Manor, Camp California, Loom, and Prince of Persia. There were Coregrafx and DUO systems setup all over the place. I remember a few Coregrafx systems had those giant PCB boards with chips in them for some of the games.
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