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Post by soop on May 11, 2018 18:01:46 GMT
I would agree, but you've used an unnecessarily extreme example there. I haven't heard anyone start screaming about issues straight away, they've usually had the same mindset, like "what if it's my cable?" All of that was pretty even handed. Then through a series of troubleshooting tasks, undertaken by the community, it was eventually revealed to have problems, including at least two manufacturing defects, though one was a one-off and one (the reversed cap issue) was corrected by hand.
The very fact it even needed a firmware revision proves that it wasn't 100%, so I think it's a little disingenuous to suggest that all the problems were down to to other hardware.
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Post by spenoza on May 11, 2018 18:08:50 GMT
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Post by soop on May 11, 2018 18:22:11 GMT
As far as it concerns the topic, that seems to be just a more detailed explanation of everything I've already covered. It does expand on one point I missed though: simplicity. The SSD3 is a simpler circuit than the PC Engine/Duo etc, so that also points to it's longievity
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Post by spenoza on May 11, 2018 18:34:23 GMT
I think materials quality isn't explicitly addressed and is important. Most small projects have to go with boutique manufacturers. Foxconn isn't going to manufacture 500 boards. So there's risk there in that smaller manufacturers may not all follow the best manufacturing processes, so the jostling and electrical current of regular use, not to mention environmental exposure, could cause it to fail far earlier.
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Post by soop on May 11, 2018 18:56:43 GMT
I think materials quality isn't explicitly addressed and is important. Most small projects have to go with boutique manufacturers. Foxconn isn't going to manufacture 500 boards. So there's risk there in that smaller manufacturers may not all follow the best manufacturing processes, so the jostling and electrical current of regular use, not to mention environmental exposure, could cause it to fail far earlier. Fml I just deleted my reply.... I think it's fair to say neither of us will know the quality. Circuit boards and soldering have been around long enough, and are ubiquitous enough that it's probably hard to find a large fabricator that could even cut corners, it's so cheap. For the ICs I can concede there might be issues? None of it would concern me if I wanted to buy one. Which I don't.
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Post by spenoza on May 11, 2018 19:50:01 GMT
I have just had too many of these small boutique/borderline-hobbyist products go belly up on me prematurely just with regular handling and wear and tear. I'm naturally distrustful. But I still think it's an awesome product and well worth it, especially for folks new to the scene. But since I have a healthy Duo I'll stick with it.
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Post by Arkhan on May 11, 2018 20:36:11 GMT
Like I said, I don't have time to break down the actual series of events, but no one needs to open up and fix tgeir hardware. This is 100% false. I literally have a coworker 10 feet from me that had to open and fix his, and so have others online. Maybe you need to go check into the series of events more before defending them like this, lol
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Post by nando on May 12, 2018 18:05:32 GMT
Like I said, I don't have time to break down the actual series of events, but no one needs to open up and fix tgeir hardware. This is 100% false. I literally have a coworker 10 feet from me that had to open and fix his, and so have others online. Maybe you need to go check into the series of events more before defending them like this, lol What’s the failure rate? And for a hobbyist product this unit is impressive. What attracts me the most is the CD gaming side of it. Not having to worry about burned cds and having everything in one place is a awesome.
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Post by Arkhan on May 12, 2018 19:45:01 GMT
I don't know what the failure rate is on the latest iterations, but launch had a bunch of problems you might be able to find on NeoGeo if they didn't delete the posts.
If mobiusstrip signs up here, he can fill you in.
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Post by Black_Tiger on May 13, 2018 1:38:03 GMT
Like I said, I don't have time to break down the actual series of events, but no one needs to open up and fix tgeir hardware. This is 100% false. I literally have a coworker 10 feet from me that had to open and fix his, and so have others online. Maybe you need to go check into the series of events more before defending them like this, lol I've seen people say that the SSS3 may look fine on a crt, but people upscaling end up with lines and/or misc. I recorded some footage 720p footage upscaled with my framemeister that I've never adjusted the settings for PC Engine. You haven't listed a single variable of what your coworker's setup is or what they tried, or if they have a recalled model or not. I've seen neodev walk one person through some issues and decided to just have them return it to be serviced. But it's hard to tell if it was the unit itself, as their is a strong divide between those who aren't having problems outside of the audio and are telling everyone everything that they did or are using... and those who complain without interacting with others trying to help them. I had lots of visual issues with mine at first, which I reported on the official thread early on with all of the variables, to demystify this kind of stuff. I came back and reported improvements as I narrowed down the issues that were not the SSS3. As soon as the SSS3 was announced, long before anyone outside of Terra Onion had touched one, people began complaining and they made the mistake of changing their video output at the last minute to appease those people. There continues to be many people complaining about a device they don't have and insisting that everyone happy with theirs is somehow lying and part of some kind of conspiracy. Like I said, this is literally a dream come true and is priceless to me. I have every game but one that I know of, ready to go and the unlimited saving combined with the load times transforms the actual game experience. This video is should start at 14:28 This would shave hours off of the time to play through most PCE RPGs. Imagine the difference it would make running 3 x 3 Eyes in Arcade Card mode.
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Post by Arkhan on May 13, 2018 16:48:00 GMT
His had a physical defect so the thing wasn't properly contacting pins on the PC Engine, for starts.
I also mentioned the one component being put on backwards IIRC.
the fact that you just mentioned recalled units.... kind of demonstrates the point.
How do you release a 300$ish dollar product that requires a recall that quickly?
Not properly testing it. That's how.
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Post by nando on May 16, 2018 15:49:45 GMT
. How do you release a 300$ish dollar product that requires a recall that quickly? Not properly testing it. That's how. That’s a quality assurance issue at the factory. One pays to have these things checked fully knowing that there will be some output that will be messed up. However it’s the ratio that lets one know the overall quality of a product manufacturing.
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Post by Black_Tiger on Jun 19, 2018 20:39:53 GMT
If anyone hasn't ordered one yet, all units shipping now have all of the audio and visual issues fixed.
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Post by lukester on Jul 16, 2018 2:41:02 GMT
If anyone hasn't ordered one yet, all units shipping now have all of the audio and visual issues fixed. Good to know. I don't have access to RGB but is that still a problem? Waiting for a future price drop but maybe I'll bite the bullet by Christmas
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Post by Black_Tiger on Jul 16, 2018 6:56:17 GMT
If anyone hasn't ordered one yet, all units shipping now have all of the audio and visual issues fixed. Good to know. I don't have access to RGB but is that still a problem? Waiting for a future price drop but maybe I'll bite the bullet by Christmas There are a few people who insist that their unit still has a tiny amount of faint lines or something when used with an upscaler on an hdtv. I haven't seen anyone who has commented as much, detail what exactly they were using it with. An unofficial power supply could alone be the cause. It could be their upscaler or their hdtv. My visual issues turned out to be one of my component transcoders being plugged in for months at a time. Now it works fine. From what I've seen, 99% of people with version 2 units aren't having any visual issues. I haven't fined tuned my framemeister at all and it already looks perfect to me for capturing video.
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